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Cindy, I have noticed this also, and my conclusion is that it gives parents a great amount of freedom to determine when their children are ready to move on to another stage. There are classical homeschoolers who feel that starting early is the way to go; there are some who don't really begin formal academics till around age 9. Both camps have success stories as examples. For me, it gives a good guideline to go on. Seems like even though I plan out all these things, my children are still individuals and I have to keep readjusting my "best laid plans" to really fit their needs. I have spent a great deal of time trying to decide when best to move my son on to the logic stage (he's 9; fifth grade). He has a few skills that I feel he needs to spend a little more time developing before we move on. Part of this is because I wasn't classically educated myself and I have had to do quite a bit of experimentation with materials as well as learning (or relearning) myself. It would not make sense for us to move on to something where he would need to better utilize skills that he really hasn't mastered well. I'm not in a panic about taking this year to make sure that our foundation is set -- because I know that there are many folks who begin the grammar stage around age 9. Hope this doesn't throw another monkey wrench into it for you!! Becki
> Okay, this is probably another topic that has already been beaten to death so I will apologize now and ask for your forgiveness but I still need your help. I am new to this and have been reading and trying to come to an understanding of the trivium. I have read a few different sources and they seem to vary particularly in regards to when the grammar stage begins and ends. For example, TWTM uses the 4 year cycle beginning in first grade, Veritas seems to teach the grammar of history from 2nd thru 6th grade, Doug Wilson talks about the grammar stage being from 3rd to 5th grades, and Dorothy Sayers mentions 9 to 11 years of age. The way I understand it is that the child should be able to read, write, and cypher as Dorothy Sayer puts it before beginning the grammar stage so I am assuming that is why most recommend waiting until after 1st grade. I am concerned about this because I was ready to follow TWTM schedule until I started to think about this further. It makes more sense to me that you spend more time/years on the grammar stage getting the facts down. Then you get into the logic/dialectic stage when the child is about junior high for a few years and then they are ready for rhetoric and maybe even the quadrivium(sp?)in high school. Can any of you please give me your views and understandings on this? Thanks. This message board has been great! Cindy E
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